Site Meter Food History » Blog Archive » Wine Fight!!

Wine Fight!!

by

lawnflowets.jpg

I promised Farley - so long ago it’s embarrassing - that I would do a post on a rather cool Medieval poem known as La bataille des vins.

The poem starts off a bit like a chanson de geste (Old French epic legend), which is how I came to know about it. At one stage I researched the introductions and conclusions to chansons de geste and chronicles and romances. Part of my dim and dark past, about twenty years before I promised Farley I’d write about wine.

When you get to the meaning, it’s a bit more like an adults only AA Milne. Instead of butter for his bread, King Phillip (possibly Phillip-Augustus) wanted wine for his table. Not any wine. He wanted the best. All of them white. What was the king looking for in his wines? Not too young, the poem says, and, from shipping records, not too old, either. Perhaps a season in age, or a year.

Most of the poem lists a bunch of wines, starting with wine from Cyprus which wasn’t at all beer from Ypres (the things poets do to find their rhymes. Even I could tell that the two aren’t the same!).

Let me give you a list of the wines, grouped as Henri d’Andeli did, roughly by region. Sorry if I repeat any - I’m following the poem and not alphabetic order. Some of the repeats are places with similar names, so I’m not going to delete them all for tidiness’ sake. If anyone has tasted wines from those places, please tell us about it . (Note: I haven’t always modernised the place names - I’m just a tad short of time this week, sorry. Most of the modernisations are from the French notes with the poem’s edition, as are the comments on the popularity etc of the wines. My sources are at the end of the post.)

The wines:
Aussai, Moussele , Anni, La Rochele, Saintes, Tailleborc, Melans (possibly Milan), Treneborc, Palma (possibly Torre di Palma), Plesence, Spain, Provence, Montpellier, Narbonne, Bediers, Carcassone, Mossac, Saint-Melÿon, Orchise, Saint-Yon, Orleans (a way popular wine at that time, according to a note by Héron), Jargeau, Meulan, Argentueil, Soissons, Hautvillers, Espernai le Bacheler, Sézanne, Samois
Anjou, Gastinois (either the modern Gâtinais or Gâtine), Issoudun, Chastel Raoul, Trilbardou, Nevers, Sancerre, Verdelai, Auxerre (Medieval happiness may well have been a bottle of this), Tonnerre, Flavigni, Saint-Pourçain (this wine also got a lot of Medieval press), Savigny, Chablis, Biaune, two wines from Beauvaisis, Le Mans, Tors, Argences, Chambly, Rennes, three from the Ile-de-France region, Auxerre, Soissons, Autel de Tauçons, Vermendois, Aviler, Chalons (not the same Chalons as before), Rains, Ausois, Moselle, Saint-Jehan d’Angeli, Angouleme , Bordiaus et Saintes, Poitiers, Chagni , Montrichard , Lassy, Châteauroux, Betesi (even the editors weren’t sure where this was, Héron suggests either Béthisy-Saint-Martin or Béthisy-Saint-Pierre), Montmorillon, Ysoudun, Vermendois, Saint-Brice, Auxerre, Goditouet,

The wine of Argentueil was as clear as tears of sorrow, and someone proclaimed it best of all. This led to tussles and some name-calling. My favourite insult, wine to wine, was “son of a gluttonous prostitute.”

You’ll be pleased to know the French wines handled themselves well in the fray and were very polite when they replied to an insult about how weak they were with “So you’re stronger than we are?” Yes, this led to them boasting about their flavour. Wines get like that when one doubts their alcohol content.

There is some discussion of the effects of the alcohol, which I shall not translate. I was going to say I wasn’t going to translate it because it will sully pure minds, but the truth is that it’s that sort of colourful thing that reads fine but translates terribly if done by me. You need a better translator.

And so the Wine Fight ended. Who won? Since the battle took three days and three nights with no sleep and with far too much wine, I’m really not sure the results count.

Bibliographic details for the scholars-at-heart:

The manuscript itself: La bataille des vins, Henri d’Andeli, Ms. Paris, B.N. fr. 837, f. 231-232v
Modern Edition by Alain Corbellari Les Dits d’Henri d’Andeli Champion Paris 2003
Less Modern Edition: H. Héron, La bataille des vins, Paris 1881

Did You Enjoy this Post? Subscribe to Food History. It's Free!

3 Responses to “Wine Fight!!”

  1. Farley Says:

    Very interesting, though I wonder why he insisted on white. More reds are considered to be some of the greatest ever made. I’m also surprised the French wines behaved themselves. From what I have gathered, they usually deem themselves superior.

    Thanks, Gillian. Better late than never!

  2. Gillian Polack Says:

    White wines were the Medieval standard as I understand it. There were red wines round, but white was deemed superior. I haven’t actually checked this out myself, though - wine is one of the things where I have some knowledge of original sources but not nearly enough to sound learned.

    The French wines didn’t quite behave themselves. They acted snotty and started a fight :). In the end, a priest had to be brought in to sort it all out.

  3. Wine Outlook » Blog Archive » The Battle of Wine: Truly Old School Says:

    [...] However, a couple weeks ago, Gillian–a fellow 451 Press blogger–fulfilled a promise to me about a Medieval poem: “La bataille des vins”. Check out that link to read about her interpretation. [...]

Leave a Reply


About Food History

A few herbs, a pinch of spice and foods of the past create your perfect foodie recipe at Food History. Expand your palate with everything from hot scones to hot websites without leaving your computer. At Food History there's a gourmet’s delight of food, health, history, and an amazing side of mushrooms. From holiday food customs to any number of fabulous recipes, you can find out anything and everything about your favorite tasty tidbits.

Food History Author(s)

Food, Cooking & Wine Channel Posts

  • Pancakes - or not
    Tomorrow is Shrove Tuesday. I know this because very year around this time I try to persuade friends to collect me throws from Mardi Gras parades. Some years I succeed, this year I didn't. I [...]
  • Great dinners: Stress relief through cooking
    [caption id="attachment_493" align="alignnone" width="1024" caption="Abstraction: Ability to move beyond photo by Mary MacIntyre"][/caption] At this time of night, I ought to geeting ready for my [...]
  • Sunday Evening Cookie Making
    • Shortbread Cookies Makes: 2 dozen 1-1/2 cup butter, softened 1 cup granulated sugar 1/2 tsp. salt 6 egg yolks 2 tsp. vanilla extract 4 cups all-purpose flour In a large bowl, cream [...]
  • 2 Women Changing their local garden community
    [caption id="attachment_489" align="alignnone" width="1024" caption="Congratulations:Garden more!"][/caption] This a fantastic way to start farms across the nation! In our own backyards! [...]
  • Food we eat:Dr. Vandana Shiva - Part 1
    [caption id="attachment_486" align="alignnone" width="1024" caption="Real food for all species"][/caption] "Half the people in the world don't get the nutrition they need" paraphrased from Dr [...]
  • What's for Dinner Tonight?
    • Turkey, Black Bean and Corn Salad Wraps Serves: 4 Shred some cooked turkey and mix with 1 cup of corn, 1 cup of black beans and 3 cups shredded romaine lettuce. Mix that with 1 cup salsa [...]
  • Ways to a Healthier Heart
    February is heart health month and the best way to get your heart healthy is to practice a few heart health exercises and to adopt a strategy to keep your heart at it's best. Here is some ways right [...]
  • We met the chef
    I'm still a hothouse of minor ailments, but I really want to give you a banquet update because there's so much news. There are a hundred recipes being tested over the next ten days. I need to [...]
  • Have you had a Fig Lately?
    Did you know that many people when they go to purchase fruits, don't consider buying figs as a part of their fruit bowl, and you maybe one of those people. There are 150 Varieties of figs the [...]
  • Time out with the letter 'p'
    Today you have a miserable excuse for a post. I came down with something last night and today I still have that something, plus I had proofs to look at. Working through illness is seldom wise, so [...]

Hot Off The Press